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		<title>Comment on Those Were The Days.. by amygood</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/those-were-the-days/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>amygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your last two tags for this post.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Change by cpacek</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/change/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>cpacek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the person you want to write to him because I&#039;m conservative and I believe that small government is better than big government.  We will see what happens.  Don&#039;t worry it was a respectful note and one that feels conveys my thoughts and feelings not that it matters anyway.  I&#039;m a white male so I no longer have a say in what this country does.  That was made very clear on election night.  No one wants to hear what I have to say.  I&#039;m now the one who is the second class citizen.  I&#039;m not looking for sympathy just my view point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the person you want to write to him because I&#8217;m conservative and I believe that small government is better than big government.  We will see what happens.  Don&#8217;t worry it was a respectful note and one that feels conveys my thoughts and feelings not that it matters anyway.  I&#8217;m a white male so I no longer have a say in what this country does.  That was made very clear on election night.  No one wants to hear what I have to say.  I&#8217;m now the one who is the second class citizen.  I&#8217;m not looking for sympathy just my view point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Battleground Pennsylvania by Amy</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/battleground-pennsylvania/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What irritates me most about McCain&#039;s campaign is that I keep hearing garbage. If they&#039;d have their views and stick to it, that would be great. If they want to bash Obama for anything and everything, great. But don&#039;t turn around the next week saying that you&#039;ll do something for the American people.... when it&#039;s already something that Obama&#039;s been saying for months. Little twists in language don&#039;t hide the fact that he&#039;s trying to win a campaign by using his opponent&#039;s ideas.

Has anybody else noticed this, or is it just me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What irritates me most about McCain&#8217;s campaign is that I keep hearing garbage. If they&#8217;d have their views and stick to it, that would be great. If they want to bash Obama for anything and everything, great. But don&#8217;t turn around the next week saying that you&#8217;ll do something for the American people&#8230;. when it&#8217;s already something that Obama&#8217;s been saying for months. Little twists in language don&#8217;t hide the fact that he&#8217;s trying to win a campaign by using his opponent&#8217;s ideas.</p>
<p>Has anybody else noticed this, or is it just me?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Battleground Pennsylvania by PL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a battle ground if you can cheat and there are more ways to cheat than through computer voting machines.

Remember, McCain was a POW lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a battle ground if you can cheat and there are more ways to cheat than through computer voting machines.</p>
<p>Remember, McCain was a POW lol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Battleground Pennsylvania by xantica</title>
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		<dc:creator>xantica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;I agree, I don&#039;t believe it is a battleground state either, but John McCain still seems determined to win it in these last few days!&lt;/em&gt;

-X-&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>I agree, I don&#8217;t believe it is a battleground state either, but John McCain still seems determined to win it in these last few days!</em></p>
<p>-X-</strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on Battleground Pennsylvania by Dr. Ethiopia</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/battleground-pennsylvania/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ethiopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absurd to eventhink that Pen. will be considered a battle ground. laughable at best. I guess it makes a good news story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absurd to eventhink that Pen. will be considered a battle ground. laughable at best. I guess it makes a good news story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Russia Bails Out Iceland by Can the United States government go&#8230; bankrupt? &#171; Christopher Schwartz&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/russia-bails-out-iceland/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Can the United States government go&#8230; bankrupt? &#171; Christopher Schwartz&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consider also the recent troubles in Iceland.  Russia has come to their rescue, providing them a €4bn loan from the goodness of their hearts.  Time for a Mr. Rogers moment: &#8220;Can you say, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Choice by PL</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/choice/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>PL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read that and yes that&#039;s totally painful and traumatic. That&#039;s why there are no easy answers. There are just too many variables, too many crimes, situations and conditions. But I was referring my argument from a moral standard, stripping away the rhetoric and situations from both sides and looking at things from a moral perspective. Not that we are moral, none of us are perfect but we do know right from wrong and can reason as to what we &quot;ought&quot; to do even if we don&#039;t do it, even if we fail our own moral standards sometimes.

It is immoral to have the son pay for the crimes of the father or to put the son to death for the crimes of the father. So it all revolves around whether a fetus is a person or not and there&#039;s no evidence to say the contrary. We were all fetuses once. This is still the main root of the argument, if this remains politicized then nothing can&#039;t be settled. 

So when I said that a woman &quot;ought&quot; to carry to term the baby, even if it was as a result of rape, I wasn&#039;t saying that this is what the government has to put into law and enforce, but instead, I was saying that the highest moral act would be to do the hardest thing to save a life. Nobody but the victims can or will truly understand the pain and mental torture of doing such a thing but we&#039;re all free moral agents who know what the highest moral standard is -- even if we fail to measure up to that standard. 

Now what Palin is doing is exactly my point. This dumb biatch doesn&#039;t care for unwanted babies, she cares about saving tax money to spend on bridges to nowhere, rather than on services to help the community. I mean even if she disagreed with the kit, if she really cared about the poor girls, she could still be against abortion but provide a different kit, maybe with counseling, or help with costs or ways to have that baby adopted or even perhaps having the egg frozen to be given to surrogate mothers in the future so that these girls won&#039;t go through the trauma of carrying the baby to term. The technology is there but Palin is not at all concerned with helping, she just makes this into a political issue for votes.

Maybe we Christians should start doing what we preach and instead of having so many babies ourselves, we could adopt through these new technologies by sacrificing to be surrogate mothers. I suppose the moral standard falls on all of us to do the most that we can to save a life. But there are no easy answers just creative solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that and yes that&#8217;s totally painful and traumatic. That&#8217;s why there are no easy answers. There are just too many variables, too many crimes, situations and conditions. But I was referring my argument from a moral standard, stripping away the rhetoric and situations from both sides and looking at things from a moral perspective. Not that we are moral, none of us are perfect but we do know right from wrong and can reason as to what we &#8220;ought&#8221; to do even if we don&#8217;t do it, even if we fail our own moral standards sometimes.</p>
<p>It is immoral to have the son pay for the crimes of the father or to put the son to death for the crimes of the father. So it all revolves around whether a fetus is a person or not and there&#8217;s no evidence to say the contrary. We were all fetuses once. This is still the main root of the argument, if this remains politicized then nothing can&#8217;t be settled. </p>
<p>So when I said that a woman &#8220;ought&#8221; to carry to term the baby, even if it was as a result of rape, I wasn&#8217;t saying that this is what the government has to put into law and enforce, but instead, I was saying that the highest moral act would be to do the hardest thing to save a life. Nobody but the victims can or will truly understand the pain and mental torture of doing such a thing but we&#8217;re all free moral agents who know what the highest moral standard is &#8212; even if we fail to measure up to that standard. </p>
<p>Now what Palin is doing is exactly my point. This dumb biatch doesn&#8217;t care for unwanted babies, she cares about saving tax money to spend on bridges to nowhere, rather than on services to help the community. I mean even if she disagreed with the kit, if she really cared about the poor girls, she could still be against abortion but provide a different kit, maybe with counseling, or help with costs or ways to have that baby adopted or even perhaps having the egg frozen to be given to surrogate mothers in the future so that these girls won&#8217;t go through the trauma of carrying the baby to term. The technology is there but Palin is not at all concerned with helping, she just makes this into a political issue for votes.</p>
<p>Maybe we Christians should start doing what we preach and instead of having so many babies ourselves, we could adopt through these new technologies by sacrificing to be surrogate mothers. I suppose the moral standard falls on all of us to do the most that we can to save a life. But there are no easy answers just creative solutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choice by xantica</title>
		<link>http://xantica.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/choice/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>xantica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Yes, I totally get what you&#039;re saying.  Only one part bothered me a little and because of it I want you to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/141714/994/462/617892&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt;.  It made my skin crawl and tears come to my eyes.

And yeah, we all have our opinions, but we all (should) want to just be able to help out others and try to prevent bad situations from happening.&lt;/i&gt;

-X-&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>Yes, I totally get what you&#8217;re saying.  Only one part bothered me a little and because of it I want you to read <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/141714/994/462/617892" rel="nofollow">this story</a>.  It made my skin crawl and tears come to my eyes.</p>
<p>And yeah, we all have our opinions, but we all (should) want to just be able to help out others and try to prevent bad situations from happening.</i></p>
<p>-X-</b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Choice by PL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You knew a comment was coming Shaina :P

I don&#039;t like McCain or Palin or government intruding into our private lives. McCain is pro abortion, he&#039;ll just say anything to the Christian &quot;right&quot; to get their vote. Some leaders of the Christian Right have totally shun him for that reason, but most do follow him for their own political agendas, they really care nothing for the unborn just for their power base to be established. I would dare say that some care nothing for God himself, it is just so corrupt.

I think abortion is not a political or religious issue, but a moral issue. The government should not force any woman to carry a baby to term, but life should be respected at all cost and the law should be established to protect the innocent against murder. 

All the propaganda in the world on both sides of the issue is just rhetoric until you get to the root of the problem which is summed up in this question: is the fetus a living person? If it is, then a life must be protected. The fetus is not a cyst, it is not an organ or a cancer at all. It has it&#039;s own DNA structure separate than from the mother. It is growing, breathing, eating and there&#039;s no scientific evidence to suggest that life starts at the first, second or third trimester. If a law is passed to say that abortion is OK before the third trimester, then that law was simply a political decision with total disregard for the scientific evidence. It is at conception that everything starts. There is no other point in the life cycle of the fetus (with the exception of birth itself) where one could point out that life has began than at conception.

So what to do about rapes and risks to the life of the mother? If the perfect moral standard and obligation is to save lives, the woman aught to give birth to that baby. I understand this is hard, this could be awful and terrible but it is the rapist that deserves death, not the innocent. If an abortion must be done to save the mother&#039;s life then it must be done for that purpose, again the moral thing to do is to save a life. 

The government&#039;s job is to provide for unwanted babies, and even this is not really their job as we can do without big government by using churches and organizations to care for the unwanted. The way i see it, McCain is now pro-life to get the votes and even if he continues in this line of thinking, he&#039;d do nothing for those babies who are born. They will live in poverty and in bad health. On the other hand, Obama would fight to keep the status-quo, but both lack the moral principle to tackle the real problem. To put a political solution to this issue by outlining a period to which an abortion can be considered legal is just that, politics!

This is indeed a horrible burden on women (mostly). It has been said that if men got pregnant abortions would be legal at all periods of pregnancy. This might be true but it would still be morally wrong.

There is a common ground between the Pro-choicers and Pro-lifers. They both aim to help. It&#039;s those Pro-Death guys and Anti-Choice guys who are the real assholes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You knew a comment was coming Shaina <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like McCain or Palin or government intruding into our private lives. McCain is pro abortion, he&#8217;ll just say anything to the Christian &#8220;right&#8221; to get their vote. Some leaders of the Christian Right have totally shun him for that reason, but most do follow him for their own political agendas, they really care nothing for the unborn just for their power base to be established. I would dare say that some care nothing for God himself, it is just so corrupt.</p>
<p>I think abortion is not a political or religious issue, but a moral issue. The government should not force any woman to carry a baby to term, but life should be respected at all cost and the law should be established to protect the innocent against murder. </p>
<p>All the propaganda in the world on both sides of the issue is just rhetoric until you get to the root of the problem which is summed up in this question: is the fetus a living person? If it is, then a life must be protected. The fetus is not a cyst, it is not an organ or a cancer at all. It has it&#8217;s own DNA structure separate than from the mother. It is growing, breathing, eating and there&#8217;s no scientific evidence to suggest that life starts at the first, second or third trimester. If a law is passed to say that abortion is OK before the third trimester, then that law was simply a political decision with total disregard for the scientific evidence. It is at conception that everything starts. There is no other point in the life cycle of the fetus (with the exception of birth itself) where one could point out that life has began than at conception.</p>
<p>So what to do about rapes and risks to the life of the mother? If the perfect moral standard and obligation is to save lives, the woman aught to give birth to that baby. I understand this is hard, this could be awful and terrible but it is the rapist that deserves death, not the innocent. If an abortion must be done to save the mother&#8217;s life then it must be done for that purpose, again the moral thing to do is to save a life. </p>
<p>The government&#8217;s job is to provide for unwanted babies, and even this is not really their job as we can do without big government by using churches and organizations to care for the unwanted. The way i see it, McCain is now pro-life to get the votes and even if he continues in this line of thinking, he&#8217;d do nothing for those babies who are born. They will live in poverty and in bad health. On the other hand, Obama would fight to keep the status-quo, but both lack the moral principle to tackle the real problem. To put a political solution to this issue by outlining a period to which an abortion can be considered legal is just that, politics!</p>
<p>This is indeed a horrible burden on women (mostly). It has been said that if men got pregnant abortions would be legal at all periods of pregnancy. This might be true but it would still be morally wrong.</p>
<p>There is a common ground between the Pro-choicers and Pro-lifers. They both aim to help. It&#8217;s those Pro-Death guys and Anti-Choice guys who are the real assholes!</p>
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